An interview with 17 year old Dutch cellist Ella van Poucke

Ella van Poucke turned 17 in April.  Since October  2011 she is a new member of our group of Young Soloists for Kronberg Academy Masters. The professor who will be taking care of her musical development is cellist Frans Helmerson. Last week, shortly before our conversation, Ella had finished a masterclass with Canadian cellist Gary Hoffman, who is also a  permanent Professor in Kronberg.

Asked how to run this interview, Ella smiled and said “My first language is Dutch, second is English and regarding German I can understand quite a bit, speak a few words, but it isn´t enough to let the interview flow in German.”  So we switched to English.

Before we entered Studio 1 in the KAM facilities at Kronberg´s Streitkirche, we took a look at her cello. “It looks quite old“, I remarked.  “No, it isn´t! It was made in 2009, but I would love to have an old one” answered Ella, smiling.

Ella has two brothers and a sister. Her parents provided for a good musical background. Ella´s father is a trained trumpet player for Netherlands  Radio Symphony Orchestra (NRSO). Her mother used to play viola but in recent years she has turned to cooking, professionally and in the family.

Following is a short conversation with Ella, who grew up in a little city near Amsterdam.

1 ) How do you feel in Kronberg?
Ella: It´s a big honour for me to be here! Staying with the best teachers for string instruments and being part of that group of so talented young musicians is very inspiring. It´s a prestigious place to study music.

2) How did you just arrive in Kronberg?
Ella: Well,  I took the train, which is so convenient. I like train rides a lot! There I can sleep,
read and eat! It takes only about 5 hours from Holland.

3) Are you here for the first time?
Ella:  I was in Kronberg last year for the cello masterclasses in September which was a great experience! It all started when I was 15 and taking classes with  Frans Helmerson in Cologne for about a year. He mentioned Kronberg Academy and proposed that I should opt for an audition.  So, during  2009 I travelled to Kronberg the first time and met with Stephen Potts, director of Kronberg Academy Masters. Then I had my first audition. Also I travelled to Kronberg only some weeks ago for attendance of the masterclasses with Gidon Kremer and Volker Biesenbender. Volker lectured on improvisation and Gidon Kremer spoke about music and musicianship. Two very different personalities and styles. Both masterclasses provided a wealth of information.

4) What did you know about KronbergAcademy?
Ella: I heard about the Academy from a friend when I was nine. Later I looked at Kronberg Academy´s homepage on the internet and I found it very appealing.

5) How did your love for playing the cello evolve?
Ella: I started at age 4, taking violin classes. Honestly, I didn´t like it so much,  it was kind of weird. I quit the classes when I was five and a half. Later at age six I discovered the cello and this is what I liked a lot! Then my parents sent me to the Utrecht music school. Looking back I must say the classes became more enjoyable for me and when I was eight it really became more serious and it was fun. I began practicing for myself and at age twelve I was attending the Amsterdam conservatory. Prior to Amsterdam I was also taking classes at Den Haag for about a year. When I was ten I joined a group of young violinists called the “The Fancy Fiddlers”, founded by one of my teachers at the time, Mrs. Coosje Wijzenbeck. There were 20 players in that group and we began to perform concerts.

6) How was musical life in your family?
Ella: I liked to play chamber music. Throughout the day, while at home I also listened to music from my brother and my parents. One of my brothers listened to hip-hop and pop music, my father is a great Jazz fan and he likes the Beatles very much and of course Jazz singers such as Ella Fitzgerald and Billie Holiday. This kind of music I do like as well. In earlier years my mum was playing viola. So I am used to hear her viola sounds from time to time. But in recent years she has concentrated on her cooking job and music became a side activity. On the other hand her vegetarian cooking style is very good for my health. So, overall, music was ubiquitous in our home. And I was exposed to different styles of music.

7) Who was a strong influence for you?
Ella: As I had already mentioned the “The Fancy Fiddlers” were founded by my teacher Coosje Wijzenbeck, and she had a very strong influence on me. Playing together under her leadership was great fun. We often rehearsed string quartets. Another great influence was and still is British cellist Colin Carr, who is a very good friend of my parents. In fact, I very much loved his way of playing, very different from what I learned through Coosje Wyzenbeck. I play with Colin from time to time in famous concert halls such as the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam. At age 13 I played with him Vivaldi´s Double Concerto in that hall. Another influence was Godfried Hoogeveen, whom I met during the Amsterdam Conservatory years. Godfried is a great player, he told me all about music, not technically but rather aspects related to emotions, musicality and various musical styles. He was a student of renowned cellist Gregor Piatigorsky and became my mentor. Attending the cello masterclass at Kronberg Academy in September 2011  was also a great experience. And not to forget: at age 13 I joined the Amsterdam Chamber Music Society and I am still a member of that institution. There I met Christian Bor who was a student of violinist Jascha Heifetz. Christian as well as Godfried Hooogeveen influenced me over the years quite a lot.
While I was attending the Verbier musical festival in 2009 I had the great opportunity to attend masterclasses with Bernard Greenhouse, about 3-4 lessons, an hour each. Mr. Greenhouse told me so much about phrasing. This was very inspiring for me.

How do you relax ?
Well, I love cooking, walking and jogging. Especially jogging is something I enjoy so much. Also right now. Jogging is hard to do here in Kronberg because of the various hills. So it is quite challenging. When I am at home in our house in Holland I enjoy the great kitchen that we have and do cooking activities with great enjoyment.

Which type of music do you play with great enthusiasm? And what kind of music do you listen to, today?
Ella: I listen to a lot of chamber music. Dvorak´s Cello Concerto performed by Colin Carr is something I like to listen to,  over and over. And I listen to a lot of CDs, mostly classical music. And I like to listen what other fellow musicians play.

Playing and rehearsing daily, how many hours a day do you play and how much of sacrifies does this mean?
Ella: Currently I am playing 5-6 hours a day. The act of rehearsing is fun, I enjoy it! I can´t think of any sacrifices. I am really happy when I am playing, every day! But after so many hours each day other things are getting painful. Like carrying the cello case uphill, biking with the cello or sitting long hours in really unhealthy positions. Those things can be a bit of  a burden, but I can´t call them sacrifices.

10) Which expectations do you have with view to your enrollment with “Kronberg Academy Masters”?
Ella: I am working hard! I will learn things that I need to change in my playing. One can never play complete or perfectly. There is always room for improvements and changes. I want to become a solo cellist and play chamber music. But I also could think of myself as becoming a teacher in the future. All Young Soloists know each other and together with the members of the Kronberg Academy team we belong to a family. This is stimulating. We are inspiring ourselves and the lessons and all the work are quite intensive. The good thing is, all is very well organised by the team. The Academy is not just a music school, it is an institution where so much help is available all the time. I am not waiting here for big things to happen, I concentrate on my work and continuous improvements of my playing.

11) How do you use the internet, how often and how long are you online?
Ella: I am not a typical young internet user or TV person. What I like is using Google for searches. I check my email every day but I don´t stay long online. I am on facebook and using this means staying connected with my friends – this is a good thing. And for background information and easy questions I go to Wikipedia. But otherwise the internet is a waste of time. I am not a heavy internet user,  I see the stupid part of it.

Ella, thank you for this interview!

Michael Heinz/Kronberg Academy

Die Mitarbeiter der Kronberg Academy trauern um den großen Cellisten Bernard Greenhouse. Er verstarb am 13. Mai in seinem Haus in Wellfleet auf der Halbinsel Cape Cod.

Greenhouse, der zu den Mitbegründern des großartigen Kammermusikensembles Beaux Arts Trio zählte, war ein gern gesehener Gast in der Burgstadt. Viele Male weilte er in Kronberg und war bei unseren Cello Meisterklassen ein begehrter Cello-Lehrer, zuletzt 2008. Obgleich schon gesundheitlich angeschlagen, nahm er die Strapazen der langen Flugreise auf sich, um auch bei den Feierlichkeiten zum Tode von Mstislav Rostropovich im Oktober 2007 teilzunehmen. Mancher Kronberger wird es noch vor Augen haben: im Kronberger Schulgarten wurde feierlich die Rostropovich-Büste enthüllt und bei der anschließenden Feier in der Johanniskirche würdigte Greenhouse in einer emotionalen Ansprache den großen Russen. Viele, die ihn live in unserer Stadt erleben konnten, werden sich an seine enorme menschliche Ausstrahlung und Wärme erinnern.

Welche Erinnerungen haben Kollegen aus unserem Team? Hier zwei Beispiele:

Gabriela Denicke, verantwortlich in der Academy für Sponsoring und Partner, hatte von Anfang die Aufgabe übernommen, Bernard Greenhouse bei seinen Aufenthalten in Kronberg zu betreuen. Sie hat über die Jahre, wie sie selbst sagt, eine Freundschaft mit dem großen Cellisten entwickeln können. Hier ihre Gedanken und Erinnerungen:

„Was mir besonders im Gedächtnis haften blieb ist dies: „Make it simple!. Das sagte er stets den jungen Leuten. Und auch: you have to say something through your music! Damit meinte er, es geht beim Spielen nicht darum, wie wirke ich, oder spiele ich die Noten richtig, oder etwas anderes ich-bezogenes, sondern vielmehr wenn Du dem Publikum nicht etwas mitteilen möchtest mit Deinem Spiel, dann lass es. Er blieb so lange jung, vor allem young at heart – durch die Jugend! Die Begegnung mit der Jugend, mit dem Cello- bzw. Musik-Nachwuchs, das war sein Lebenselexir!“.

Und sie fährt fort: „Ich erinnere mich noch vor Jahren, als ich ihn nach dem langen Flug abholte am Frankfurter Flughafen, da saß nun dieser berühmte ältere Herr auf einer Bank, ruhte sich aus nach den Anstrengungen des Fluges. Und ich fragte mich dann, wie mag er nur die vor ihm liegende anstrengende Meisterkurs-Woche überstehen. Und dann kam der erste Kurs und er wuchs an Statur und Energie. Es war unglaublich, er war die ganze Woche über so jung. Er hatte Stil und es war für ihn selbstverständlich, dass er während der Meisterkurs-Woche zu jedem Konzert seiner Kollegen, wie er die anderen Cellisten immer nannte, ging, auch wenn er nach einem anstrengenden Tag müde war. Das gehörte sich einfach. Er hatte einen feinen Humor, er lachte gern, er war warmherzig und großzügig, er hatte aber auch einen ausgeprägten Sinn für geschäftliche Belange”. So weit unsere Kollegin Gabriela Denicke.

Oda Cramer von Laue, verantwortlich für Kommunikation bei uns, fasst ihre Eindrücke so zusammen: „Bernard Greenhouse kam mir immer fast ein wenig „british“ vor – er war einfach der „Grandseigneur“ unter den Cellisten. Sehr offen und menschlich. Sowohl wenn es um Musik, als auch wenn es um andere „weltliche“ Themen ging, kam er immer klar „auf den Punkt“. Ohne dass man interpretieren, raten oder irgendwie zwischen den Zeilen lesen musste, was er meinte“.

Der Autor dieser Zeilen erinnert sich gerne an eine Cello-Meisterklasse 2008 in der Stadthalle Kronberg, als Bernard Greenhouse mit großer Ruhe und Gelassenheit einem 20-jährigen jungen Mann beibrachte, dass das ständige Vibrato keinerlei Anzeichen von Musikalität waren sondern eher ein unbedingt abzugewöhnndes ständiges Zittern der linken Griffhand.  Humor und Wohlwollen sorgten bei dem Schüler für stetige, kleine Fortschritte in jener Stunde.

Bernard Greenhouse hielt in den letzten Lebensjahren viele Meisterkurse in den USA, Kanada und Europa. Und Kronberg im Taunus hat dabei eine durchaus bemerkenswerte Rolle in seinen letzten Lebensjahren gespielt – darauf sind wir alle hier sehr stolz! Die Mitarbeiter der Kronberg Academy werden ihn sehr vermissen.

Michael Heinz

One of the few living cellists who can speak about personal memories of Emanuel Feuermann is the American cellist Bernard Greenhouse. He is a long time friend of Kronberg Academy and has actively participated in many chamber music projects over the years. Bernie, as his friends call him, was 22 years of age when he first encountered Emanuel Feuermann in 1938. Feuermann was then 36 years of age. Bernard Greenhouse recently recorded his memories for  the Kronberg Academy, the recording  session took place at his home in Massachusetts on Oct. 24, 2010. In anticipation of the third international Grand Prix Emanuel Feuermann that will officilally start on November 16 in Berlin we belive that Bernard Greenhouse´s remarks and reflections bring back some aspects of his personality to the current generation of cellists and music lovers.

Bernard Greenhouse:

More than 70 years have gone by since I had the great pleasure to work with Emanuel Feuermann. I was young but not so young, that I couldn´t understand his wishes as far as improving my technique on the cello. He was very definitive. In a sense his denial of anyone´s ability to reach his extreme technical prowess was one the things which made it so necessary to have some experience in working with the great cellist.

I was a much younger man looking for help in my work. I had had excellent training at the Juilliard School with Felix Salmond and I needed someone with a different approach to the instrument,  one who had a magnificent technical knowledge of the instrument – I found that in Emanuel Feuermann who could be rather sarcastic with his students and when a student did prove to have great promise, and played a passage which normally would be extremely difficult he would make light of it and play it with the greatest of ease and accuracy so the student always had this the feeling of let down because there was someone who played the Instrument better then he could – and that could be misleading
(Mr. Greenhouse laughs…).

My full admiration for this giant of the cello, a man who could do anything with the greatest of ease. It was absolutely a magnet to me. I had to learn how he did it and come as close as possible.

So I approached him and asked whether he would teach me. And he said, well, yes, I would like to help you but not on a regular basis – if you come once every 2-3 weeks for a lesson I will probably give you the time. But it turned out that that it wasn´t always that he was accessible because I was working at the time at CBS as the cellist in the orchestra there and I was constantly trying to improve my playing. One of the ways I thought of, one of the things which made me so obstinate in my approach to working with Feuermann was, that he seemed to be an easy going person and it surprised me how harsh he could be at my lessons and how much he thought about my progress as a cellist.
I sometimes in working with him I would become quite discouraged. But I had to persist if I wanted to work with him, I had to understand that he was not an easy master and demanded very much of my time. I later found out that he spoke well of my talent, I believe that he really did feel concerned with my career and my  playing because I was always invited to RCA to the recording sessions with Franz Rupp, the pianist, so I got to be part of the little circle of Emanuel Feuermann graduate students who revelled in his knowledge.

Assistant: what time period?

Bernard Greenhouse:  This was in 1938, 1939, 1940. Those were the years.

When he was teaching quite a bit in New York when I was very much devoted to working hard on the instrument, I thought it would be a wonderful thing to have a debut-recital in the town hall of New York City. I went up to Scarsdale in my beautiful sports car, a convertible!!

Assistant: What colour ?

Bernard Greenhouse: Red!! laughs……naturally!

And I parked right outside his door and he came to the door and he looked at my car and he looked at me and he said: “No lesson today, let´s go for a ride!”.

So, my lessons came rather on the irregular side but they were always done with a certain amount of integrity and help and so after my 4 years of work at Juilliard I found a different approach to playing the instrument and I settled down to really learn how to play the cello. Feuermann was the one to teach it.

Transcription:  Michael Heinz

Michael Heinz: Am kommenden Freitag den 22. Oktober werden Sie die Möglichkeit haben, im Rahmen unseres Projekts “Mit Musik – Miteinander”  gewissermaßen vom Solisten  zum Lehrer zu werden – gemeinsam mit Ihren Mitstreitern Kaori Yamagami und Mikhail Ovrutsky. Was verbinden Sie mit dieser Vorstellung?

Nils Mönkemeyer: “Studierende” bleiben wir als Musiker ja unser ganzes Leben lang. Für mich geht es bei dem Projekt nicht in erster Linie darum, mich als Lehrer zu betätigen, sondern vielmehr im lebendigen Zusammenspiel voneinander zu lernen. Kammermusik ist eine Gattung, die am besten ohne eine menschlich gedachte Hierarchie funktioniert, man muss in der Lage sein, im richtigen Moment die anderen Spieler zu unterstützen und dann wieder einen entscheidenden Impuls setzen, Freude an kleinen Einwürfen zu haben und gemeinsam ein großes Ganzes zu schaffen.

MH: Als ehemaliger Junior bei „Chamber Music Connects the World“ 2008 konnten Sie mit namhaften Kammermusikern und Solisten gemeinsam Kammermusikwerke erarbeiten – wie prägend war diese Erfahrung für Sie, was hat dies für ihre eigene musikalische Weiterentwicklung bewirkt?

NM: Eine intensive Woche zu verbringen mit Künstlern wie Gidon Kremer oder Yuri Bashmet ist natürlich etwas ganz, ganz besonderes. Beide Künstler waren und sind Idole für mich und die Momente der Konzerte sind mir immer wieder ganz präsent. Es ist diese absolute Konzentration und Hingabe, die mich an diesen großen Meistern besonders beeindruckt hat, diese völlige Hingabe im Moment des Spielens, die alles andere unwichtig macht und den “magischen Moment” erschafft, nach dem wir immer suchen. Die Erinnerung daran macht mich sehr glücklich.

MH: Manch einer ist der geborene Lehrer, wie ist Ihre Einschätzung von sich selbst in dieser Rolle…? Haben Sie hier eine Vorahnung oder betreten sie hier völlig neues Terrain und wissen selbst noch nicht, wie dies ausgeht? Von Bernhard Greenhouse stammt der Gedanke, dass man sich immer ganz auf die Persönlichkeit der Schüler einlassen muss, jeder Schüler hat einen anderen „Auslöser“ für den Erkenntnisprozess.

NM: Ich war drei Jahre Assistent von Diemut Poppen in Madrid und habe seit einem Jahr meine eigene Klasse in Dresden. Unterrichten ist schon seit vielen Jahren ein Hauptfeiler meiner künstlerischen Tätigkeit. Jeder Schüler hat eine unverwechselbare und eigene Persönlichkeit . Manche halten mir selbst einen Spiegel vor, andere kommen mit Problemen, über die ich nie nachgedacht habe und so ist jede Unterrichtsstunde neu und faszinierend. Der Lehrer lernt genauso viel, wie der Schüler.

MH: Welche Musiker sind für Sie eine große Inspiration – möglicherweise auch Musiker, die nicht aus der Kammermusik stammen,  die Ihnen zB auch Anregungen geben, wie man musikalische Strukturen „liest“, die Essenz eines Werkes vollständig durchdringt?

NM: Da gibt es viele. Immer wieder verbringe ich Stunden auf Seiten wie Youtube oder beim Anhören von CDs und entdecke neue Welten und Ansichten. Besonders inspirierend  sind aber die Begegnungen mit Kollegen und Orchestern bei gemeinsamen Konzerten, die mich besonders bereichern.

MH: Was kommt Ihnen in den Sinn, wenn Sie an Kronberg denken?

NM: Man kommt an, alles ist von einem supernetten Team perfekt vorbereitet und man packt das Instrument aus und muss nur noch spielen, in der Pause ist der Kaffee schon fertig und immer jemand, mit dem man sich gerne unterhält…Das ist doch herrlich!!

MH: Bitte formulieren Sie hier ein paar Gedanken, was Ihnen besonders am Herzen liegt, wenn Sie sich bald hier zu uns auf den Weg machen, in Bezug auf Ihre Rolle als Senior bei „Mit Musik-Miteinander“

NM: Am kommenden Freitag im schönen Kronberg……freue ich mich auf viele neugierige und motivierte “Juniors”, auf meine wunderbaren Kollegen Kaori und Mikhail und das nette Team der Academy. Nicht zuletzt: Musik, Musik, Musik:)

MH: Was sind ihre ganz persönlichen kurz- und mittelfristigen Ziele und Wünsche nach dieser „Kronberger Station“, wenn wir dies so fragen dürfen…?

NM: Da habe ich sehr viel Glück: Berlin Philharmonie, Köln Philharmonie, tolle Orchester, eine neue CD “Folia” im Januar, diese Saison ist meine bisher schönste!!

MH: danke für dieses Interview, Herr Mönkemeyer!

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Michael Heinz